Do atheists even know what the definition of creation is?

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  • Let us look up the definition of creation:

    When something new is made.
    Biblically, when producing something from nothing.
    The divine act by which, according to various religious and philosophical traditions, the world was brought into existence.

    Most atheists want to overinflate the word "creation" into meaning a supreme being that created the universe, but in fact, that's not even what the word means.

    IN FACT the universe can be created and not have a known origin, by definition.



  • >>>When something new is made.
    Biblically, when producing something from nothing.
    The divine act by which, according to various religious and philosophical traditions, the world was brought into existence.


    creation
    n noun
    1 the action or process of creating. 脴a thing which has been made or invented, especially something showing artistic talent.
    2 (the Creation) the creating of the universe, especially when regarded as an act of God. 脴the universe.



    >>>Most atheists want to overinflate the word "creation" into meaning a supreme being that created the universe,

    Most creationists want to hide the supreme being aspect of creation, or as they like to call it now, intelligent design, in their efforts to sneak it under the classroom door, as some sort of challange to evolution.



    >>>but in fact, that's not even what the word means.

    That's odd, because my dictionary thinks that it IS one of the meanings, and I think that that is one of the weakest semantic arguments I have ever heard.







  • who in your opinion does the divine act if not a supreme/divine being?
    A creation is not when something is made from nothing. That's a miracle. A creation is if I throw flour, sugar and eggs together and use heat to bake a cake.


  • The first law of thermodynamics proves otherwise.

    Trust me, sparky... those dirty atheists have done a LOT more homework than you have.


  • Now there's a useless piece of word play.

    The essence of "creation" in all but loose usage is that it requires a creator. It's a loaded term, somewhat watered down by familiarity.
    "Creature" coming to mean only "animal", for instance, rather than "that which has been created."

    You asserting definitions doesn't validate them, only create them, in a very Humpty-Dumpty sense.

    'When I use a word,' Humpty Dumpty said, in a rather scornful tone,' it means just what I choose it to mean, neither more nor less.'


  • Now define idiot--You


  • creation - (noun): myth
    creation - (verb): myth.


    Yes, I know the definition of creation as it applies to the universe and life.


  • I agree, "the universe can be created and not have a known origin, by definition".


  • To say the earth or universe or even humans were created implies a creator. So I say the universe was born, the earth formed and humans evolved.



    Do Christians even know what the scientific definition of theory is?


  • This is just a semantics game.

    I have never heard ANY "Creationist" define the word like you just did there (even though it is the dictionary definition"

    All I have talked to literally believe a man in the sky created our world with his celestial hands.

    Sorry.


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  • Uhm, Atheists do not believe in a supreme being, which would be a God. So, your question makes no sense, whatsoever.


  • It doesn't matter what the correct definition is - that's not what is meant by "creationism".


  • the way that christians use it is
    "god createing the universe"


  • The major problem with creationism is the time frame, it's supposed to have happened within 6,000-12,000 years ago. The fossils and the rocks say otherwise.


  • Creation (upper case C) and creation (lower case c) are two differen things. Christians universally use the upper case C in these discussions.

    I can create a piece of art, using component parts that already existed. I cannot make something out of nothing... and there is no God who can, either.

    Writing "IN FACT" in upper case letters does not make ti any more meaningful or truthful. I don't know what definition you are referencing, but the First Law of Thermodynamics says you are wrong.


  • Don't confuse "creation" with "The Creation."

    Also, don't confuse logical fact (those proven through rhetoric) with scientific fact (proven through experimentation, prediction, and verification).

    But that aside, I don't disagree with you. Life was created without an agent and humans were created by natural selection.

    The universe is a bit trickier...I belong to the camp that finds the eternal universe concept the most compelling. That is, our universe was created those the action or reaction or interaction of a "prior" universe...but "a universe" has always existed in one form or another (just not "our universe")




  • Wow! You're really smart. I'm impressed - not


  • Newton's First Law of Thermodynamics: matter and energy can neither be created nor destroyed.


  • The most basic studies of chemistry and science show that matter cannot be created nor destroyed.

    Producing something from nothing is universally impossible. You can't make matter.

    By the way, your last argument could also work against you. Just because it was "created" doesn't mean that God did it.







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